Episode Transcript
[00:00:03] Speaker A: Where are they? They're probably upstairs.
[00:00:08] Speaker B: They never answer the door. Oh, wait, it's Monday night. They're on the second floor.
[00:00:24] Speaker A: Hey, guys, welcome back to second floor sessions. We've got another guest today.
[00:00:29] Speaker C: We've got Cody Chapman here with us. And I'm super excited.
And when we were in school together, all of us were in school together, and I think out of us, us three, we probably were the less likely to succeed in life. And I think we've done pretty well for ourselves.
[00:00:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:00:50] Speaker C: All three of us.
But I'm super excited.
Let's just dive into it.
Cody, glad to have you.
[00:01:00] Speaker B: Hey, glad to be here. Glad to be here. That's for sure.
[00:01:03] Speaker C: So give us a rundown of the beginnings of Cody Chapman. I don't even know. Were you. Were you. Were you raised in Loudoun County?
[00:01:11] Speaker B: I was. I was. And then we briefly disappeared to Florida for a short period of time. We were back up here from.
I was in kindergarten, I guess, started eating elementary, was there for a few years, and then moved. Philadelphia.
[00:01:27] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:01:28] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:01:28] Speaker A: So y' all lived in Lower City for a while.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: Greenback.
[00:01:31] Speaker A: Oh, hey.
[00:01:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:33] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:01:34] Speaker A: Okay. I didn't know that. This is what we like. We like to learn. I like to learn new things.
[00:01:39] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. We lived out past Glendale Community Center.
[00:01:44] Speaker A: Where'd you live? Out in Florida, remember?
[00:01:47] Speaker B: Water clear.
[00:01:48] Speaker A: Is that where your grandparents live?
[00:01:49] Speaker B: No, they live in Orlando. Yeah, yeah. Sophistication over on that side.
[00:01:58] Speaker A: All right, so I did not meet you until you.
Until I went to Philadelphia, which would have been.
Well, no, you were sticky. Yeah, I was.
[00:02:12] Speaker B: Yeah. But we were neighbors before that.
[00:02:14] Speaker A: But we knew before I went to Philadelphia. I know. Yeah. Okay. We went to daycare together.
[00:02:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:19] Speaker A: That's how it started. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go ahead. Sorry.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: And I guess we didn't really theoretically meet till high school.
[00:02:27] Speaker C: It's high school.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: I mean, it's just like, you know, we just kind of stepped off just like everybody else and went with y life.
[00:02:33] Speaker C: Life took off.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: But, yeah, all clicked up and there was so.
[00:02:39] Speaker C: So I'd like to say with Cody, we run together. We've. We've hung out, we've camped. We've done everything here in Loudon together as far as burning the place down and campfires, you name it. But in a minute, I'm pretty excited about his story of.
Of work. I remember some stuff. When we were in high school together, we're kind of. I'll jump a little bit there. But when we were in high school, I remember in Napier's Class,
[00:03:17] Speaker A: There's a
[00:03:17] Speaker B: bunch of stories that could.
[00:03:19] Speaker C: Well. Well, no, it was Napier. And you know how you always, always.
Don't be looking out the window, don't be sleeping, don't anything.
[00:03:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:27] Speaker C: And I remember Cody in his class. I think he was either sleeping or he's probably looking out the window. Whichever, it's probably both. But anyways, I remember Napier telling him that, you know, of course, Napiers, you can do the best Napier impression.
The last time you did it, you did it.
[00:03:44] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: Shot who? Yeah, that kind of thing.
[00:03:48] Speaker C: Out the windows. The taxi will get mad.
[00:03:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. That's so here for you.
[00:03:54] Speaker C: But anyways, I remember he sent him out of the classroom, and I remember him telling the class when he went out of the classroom. I don't remember.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: This was probably your junior year, I'd say. That's what I was gonna say.
[00:04:09] Speaker C: It would have been sophomore, Junior.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay.
[00:04:13] Speaker C: But anyways, he said, now, guys, if we don't do better than Mr. Chapman, or we're not going to make it.
And I remember him saying that, and it stuck with me. And then Chapman's success story, I would call it. It is when he got out, you know, but let's dive into that.
[00:04:34] Speaker A: So let's point out this, too, though, because this is a good.
For people listening.
You did not graduate, Right?
[00:04:43] Speaker B: Correct. I did not.
[00:04:44] Speaker A: This is a success story.
[00:04:46] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:04:47] Speaker A: For a dropout. My high school dropout. Okay. Which I hear a lot of and hear a lot of people tell me. And this is a. This is a good one.
[00:04:57] Speaker C: Well, I was going to say college, but I didn't go to college. You didn't go to college. You didn't go to college.
[00:05:01] Speaker B: Right.
[00:05:01] Speaker C: But if you didn't, I mean. Okay, that's. That's fair. Absolutely.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: We barely walked across stage.
[00:05:06] Speaker C: I know.
That's right.
[00:05:08] Speaker A: We didn't like that not being able.
[00:05:10] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: I know. I. I had the credits, too. I had the credits almost by Christmas my senior year.
[00:05:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: See, you were in for a long. Brody got out early.
[00:05:19] Speaker B: Yeah, well, mine was a.
A interaction with a female that led to a potential kid at the time.
[00:05:30] Speaker A: Ah. So conduct was the issue.
[00:05:34] Speaker B: Yeah, something like that.
[00:05:36] Speaker C: I do remember. It was. It was.
You only had a few months left.
[00:05:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:41] Speaker C: Now that. Now that you say that, I do have a few months left. And I was like, dang, he dropped out. You know, I do remember that.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: Yep. I had.
I'm not gonna say her name on here, but had a girl tell me that she was pregnant and I had A good job at the time, working at Blue Beacon Truck Wash. I was a shift supervisor up there and, you know, was. Was doing all right and feel like that's where I need to be, and school just really wasn't my thing at the time anyways.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: It wasn't. None of our things.
[00:06:09] Speaker B: No. No.
[00:06:10] Speaker C: None of us was brave enough just to take off either, though.
In me, it wasn't. I was like, I'm not gonna do that. I would have never been allowed to do that.
[00:06:17] Speaker A: But now.
[00:06:17] Speaker C: But. But now looking at it, I'm like,
[00:06:19] Speaker A: even if I was 18, I graduated at 17. I'm looking at it now, you know,
[00:06:23] Speaker C: and I'm like, okay, what if I did? It wouldn't have changed anything.
[00:06:26] Speaker A: No, it wouldn't change nothing.
[00:06:27] Speaker C: Nothing for me or you or you or any of.
[00:06:29] Speaker B: No, no. I think. No, you know, it's. I think it's a milestone of accomplishments. Like, I achieved that.
But as far as what you get from walking across that stage.
[00:06:39] Speaker A: Right.
[00:06:40] Speaker B: I don't.
[00:06:41] Speaker A: Right.
[00:06:41] Speaker B: Doesn't have any weight to it.
[00:06:43] Speaker C: Yeah, no, absolutely not.
[00:06:44] Speaker B: In a world where everybody's lacking work ethic these days.
[00:06:48] Speaker C: Are not kidding. That's a biggie.
[00:06:50] Speaker B: Accountability.
[00:06:51] Speaker C: That is a biggie.
[00:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, we live in such a world that, you know, people have realized even if they do put in 70, 80, you know, hours, they're still barely scraping by right now more than ever. Yep. And that's.
Gosh, there. There's no incentives for people to work hard anymore.
[00:07:10] Speaker A: No, no, I agree.
No, there ain't. There's nothing.
Half of it comes from raising, though. I mean, you know, us getting out, growing up, all the years we have and did together, and wrecking dirt bikes and four wheelers and bicycles and fighting and.
And hauling hay together. I mean, all of that. Every little experience we get growing up gets us to where we are today and has made us grunt through something we didn't want to do. You know, it's. But where others may quit or. Or whatever. So. But that's kind of Cody's story.
Let's start. So take off right where you just left off right there and just kind of run with it.
Blue Beacon and go.
[00:07:57] Speaker B: Blue Beacon. And then I was riding bulls at the time, going. I remember that pretty consistently every. You know, a couple rodeos a weekend.
Could get a check here and there, but went to a practice pen one day just getting on practice bulls and ended up breaking a lot of stuff because there was no bull fighter.
And I said, whenever I come back, I think I end up breaking my femur, my tib, fib, pile of ribs. Like, it was a nasty ordeal. Took a while to heal from it, but came back from it. Said I was gonna learn to fight bulls and picked up a knack for it shortly after that. Of course, Blue Beacon let go of me at that point, too, because I'd been out for almost, I don't know, four or five months.
[00:08:40] Speaker C: Oh, healing up?
[00:08:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:42] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:08:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:43] Speaker B: That broken femur was a big deal. Oh, yeah.
[00:08:45] Speaker C: I bet.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: And then after. Shortly after that, I started fighting bulls and realized I could get a check every time I fought bulls and was able. God blessed me with enough deals to kind of stay afloat.
And then I realized that things financially just were not completely. Completely covered. I had a steady girlfriend time who actually ended up being my wife a couple years later, and we ended up having our first kid, who is now she's 12. So maybe my timing's off a little bit on that.
But ended up taking up shooting horses. I learned how to trim some horses that were pretty feral.
Nobody else wanted to touch them, and I had enough.
[00:09:30] Speaker A: It's the only ones you get when you start now. You get the crap.
[00:09:33] Speaker C: Yeah. Just like working in a shop. You get the crap.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. If you don't get kicked two or three times a day during your, you know, your first few days shooting horses, your first few months.
[00:09:42] Speaker C: So just, Just. I'm just curious.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: What.
[00:09:45] Speaker C: When you were fighting bulls, like in a. In a. In a. When you go to a rodeo or something, it. What is that look like for a bullfighter? What is the a check? Is that like a hundred bucks?
[00:09:55] Speaker B: Most time, like, nowadays, like, your little local rodeos are full. 4 to 400 a night.
[00:10:00] Speaker C: Golly.
[00:10:01] Speaker B: Back then it was 250 a night.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:03] Speaker B: So, I mean, 500. That kind of went a little way back in. Absolutely.
[00:10:07] Speaker A: The problem is it's Saturday. Sunday.
[00:10:08] Speaker C: That's what I was gonna say. Can you do two nights?
[00:10:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep.
[00:10:11] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:10:11] Speaker B: I always did two nights. Okay.
[00:10:12] Speaker A: But there ain't no Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. They're moving. They're moving bowls and pins.
Yeah. That's the.
[00:10:18] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:10:18] Speaker A: That's the downfall.
[00:10:19] Speaker C: They may cut you off. I just.
[00:10:20] Speaker A: That's a little extra money nowadays.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:23] Speaker C: For sure.
[00:10:25] Speaker B: Packing panels.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:27] Speaker B: Which I quickly got out of that just because I hadn't, like, staying someplace till midnight, rather, you know, go hang out and drink a beer with everybody than. Yeah. You know, be labor. Yeah.
[00:10:38] Speaker C: Go back to shoeing horses. That was. I was just curious what they made. That's Just a little side money for sure.
[00:10:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Like one of my buddies now, Justin Crump, he was a young guy that started out, kind of started out with me.
He's working or doing PBRs.
[00:10:52] Speaker A: Not.
[00:10:52] Speaker B: Not upper level PBRs, entry level PBRs. And I want to say he's probably making a grand tonight.
[00:10:58] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:10:59] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:10:59] Speaker C: Pretty good, for sure.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: Yeah. A great guy.
And he's really capitalizing on his opportunities, for sure.
But shoe Norse, is it? It's snowballed.
[00:11:10] Speaker C: How did you get into that exactly?
[00:11:13] Speaker B: Just watching Dale Collis. Okay. That was literally the. The baseline I took an interest in with Dale Callis doing my mother's horses.
And before long, Brent Ozan told me I could come pull shoes for him. That was a paying job. So I took them both on and worked with it. After a few months of working with Brent, I decided that I want something a little more consistent. And so I decided I'm gonna jump out on my own and go at this.
And sure enough, God once again blessed me with enough work to get by. And it snowballed into.
I guess about this time last year.
And I was burned out. I was doing. I was doing way too many horses.
[00:11:56] Speaker A: You were travel.
[00:11:57] Speaker C: You're traveling a bunch.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: I was. I was. I was going to Ocala once a month, Aiken.
And it just. It took a toll. I. I missed part of my kids growing up, but the money was so good that it was just. It was hard to just walk away from.
Crazy.
[00:12:15] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:16] Speaker B: You know, one truck, one trailer. And this goes back to the IRS thing, but made somewhere around 240, 000.
Yeah.
[00:12:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: One guy, no building. Just a truck in a trailer.
[00:12:30] Speaker C: Awesome.
[00:12:30] Speaker A: And a lot of work.
[00:12:31] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:32] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:12:32] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't take it back.
[00:12:34] Speaker A: Breaking work. That's what I call it.
[00:12:35] Speaker C: Absolutely. I don't take any. That's.
[00:12:37] Speaker A: You got to have a strong back to do that job, man.
[00:12:40] Speaker B: I looked up the reason why the year before last was so good is because I finally paid enough of my dues to where I got all the good barns in our area, you know, And I had the same barns. I'd go the same bar Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
Friday was my tax shoes on my screw up day. And if nothing bad happened, I got Friday off. If I could manage to pull it all together.
But during that time period I was showing, you know, somewhere, I'd say I'd shoot at least 40 full sets a week, 10 full sets a day, if not a few more.
[00:13:11] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:13:12] Speaker B: And it just. It beat me down and Then I was shooting a horse that had kind of. He's. He's always been really tough. He never wore back shoes before me or they pulled his back shoes because he'd been having issues and was a real pain in the butt to get by. And for some reason he snatched at the right time and ruptured a disc in my lower back.
And it wasn't so much the pain. I think my mind had just had had enough of dealing with all the constant horse owners and constant wear.
[00:13:45] Speaker A: Which are crazy. Yeah, crazy. And I am a horse owner, so before anybody starts commenting or anything, I own horses and they're freaking. Horse owners are nuts.
Can be.
[00:13:59] Speaker C: These horse owners are on a different level though, right?
[00:14:01] Speaker A: I mean. Oh, yes, they are.
[00:14:02] Speaker B: I heard.
[00:14:03] Speaker C: I've heard like he come into the store and he's telling me like that some of these barns are air conditioned where for the horses are at. That's crazy.
[00:14:09] Speaker B: Correct. I had a really, really nice barn in White Pine called Kate's Bluff. And it was heated, cooled.
Like the only time I had to go outside is whenever I was going because they wouldn't allow my forge inside the barn because you know that something's burning 20, 600 degrees, you don't want something to boom and total it. But you know, they sell their horses as two year olds or yearlings for well into six figures.
So a little bit of pressure though, with that too.
[00:14:39] Speaker A: What kind of horses were those?
[00:14:40] Speaker B: Warm bloods.
Particular Warm bloods that are red from something.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: What do you mean warm bloods?
[00:14:47] Speaker B: That's a.
Their horse guy. That's a actual breed. Like walking horses.
[00:14:52] Speaker A: Never heard of a warm blood.
[00:14:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:54] Speaker A: Ever.
[00:14:55] Speaker B: They're big, big sport horses.
[00:14:57] Speaker C: Big, big horse.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: What kind of sport?
[00:14:59] Speaker B: Jumping.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: Okay, so like dressage.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the flat stuff. We're talking horses that are jumping, you know, six foot fences. Huh.
[00:15:11] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:15:12] Speaker B: And I thought they use like thoroughbreds
[00:15:15] Speaker A: for that stuff, like round track racing.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Thoroughbreds can't hold up quite as well. I mean, you can get into it
[00:15:21] Speaker A: with thoroughbred so young. What'd you call them? Warm bloods. Warm bloods. Warm bloods. Never heard of them over there.
[00:15:28] Speaker B: Eighteen hand monsters.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: Really?
[00:15:30] Speaker B: I call them dumb bloods because there they've got. They. They'll do some of the stupidest crap. I mean, like the wrong color butterfly fly by them and all of a sudden the world ends. Yeah. Or they turn around and wake shooting and they fall asleep and dang near fall down. Or I mean, it's just backs are
[00:15:48] Speaker A: always harder to do than fronts too. Right.
With. Well, if a horse is going to act up, usually they're acting up back there than on the fronts.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. I think I end up having more issues with getting as far as the horse's behavior. It's getting bit.
[00:16:03] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: Yeah. But there is a.
I'll say it, 99 time. If a horse owner is not there, the horse behaves 100 times better. It's like.
[00:16:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:12] Speaker B: You know, your kids. If somebody's watching your kids, man, they're angels. If you're there watching your kids with them, man, they're. They're trying to set the dang door on fire.
[00:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Yep. I could see that, too.
[00:16:25] Speaker C: That's pretty wild. I wouldn't have thought of that. It makes a difference.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: It absolutely does.
[00:16:29] Speaker A: So how long did you shoe horses, though?
[00:16:32] Speaker B: 20.
[00:16:34] Speaker A: Almost
[00:16:37] Speaker B: 20. 12 till last year.
I'd say, like full time.
I'd say 2014 till last year.
[00:16:48] Speaker A: Okay. So 12 years straight.
[00:16:50] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:16:50] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: A lot of people. I told a lot of people 20 years.
Felt like it was an honest mistake. I was not trying to blow.
But it was. And I've gone back to it a little bit. Just nowhere near to the same extent that I was doing.
[00:17:09] Speaker A: Yeah. What'd you say you've done today?
[00:17:11] Speaker B: Been clearing land, cleaning up. A. A big clearing job.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. How many horses today?
[00:17:17] Speaker B: Six full sets. This morning, a half set to buy lunch.
[00:17:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:23] Speaker C: So that's six horses, correct?
[00:17:25] Speaker A: Six horses. Four. Four, Four, Yeah, Four.
[00:17:30] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:17:31] Speaker A: Yeah. So that means. So now that's your side hustle.
[00:17:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And really, it's just for people that Dangster enough, like. Yeah. You know, people that were, you know, stuck with me from day one, y'
[00:17:42] Speaker A: all called cynicals back. They liked you.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: She did.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: She actually.
[00:17:46] Speaker B: She messaged me yesterday. Stephanie.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:48] Speaker B: Yeah, she messaged me yesterday. Said she's struggling. I don't know who she's using right now, so I'm trying to be picky on.
[00:17:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:56] Speaker B: But, yeah, she's somebody struggling somewhere with the horse. And actually her. The horse she wants me to do, kick me in the face.
Three years ago, and I'm talking tore off a flap that you could cover your ear with.
[00:18:11] Speaker C: That's. That's one thing about Cody. He has put some nasty photos online. I'm like, I wouldn't even touch some of the stuff that he's done. It be his arm, his bone be hanging out of his arm or something. He'd be out there taking pictures of it, like, golly, get tough.
[00:18:25] Speaker A: Well, it all started with motocross. Tough a lot when we was kids. That's when he used to get hurt. Mad was that. I remember.
What did you do? You break both legs?
[00:18:36] Speaker B: No, broke everything in the right leg again the first time when.
[00:18:40] Speaker A: When we were matt. But your brother broke. Broke both of his wrists, didn't he?
[00:18:45] Speaker B: He broke one arm, broke his wrist really bad.
And then I broke. It was probably a year later and I broke everything the same way. Femur, tib fiber and something in my ankle.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: So all that was already weak anyway because it's been. Well, I mean it healed back.
[00:19:06] Speaker C: Different spot. Yeah.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: So how did that happen? What was you doing?
[00:19:09] Speaker B: Out of my cross track off what road? And just a simple. Just a simple little jump that was kind of in a turn, a little double and it's kind of wet that day. And I'd gotten cross rutted, which is, you know, as you take off, you know, your back tire hits. Stuck in one rut and your front stays in another.
And I didn't let out. I figured it'd straighten up and it didn't. Well, as I was coming over, I stuck my leg out and it just. Everything just snapped over.
I remember they loaded me in the back seat of a My dad's black Dodge extended cab pickup. Not a four door.
[00:19:44] Speaker A: Yeah, 1500.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: I didn't have a tear coming down my eye, even though I said, I ain't no way I'm gonna cry for a dad. Ain't no way.
And man, they're sitting there and at that point I didn't realize my femur was broken. I thought I was just really being a. And they're sitting there sliding me in that back seat and I'm trying to think about everything else in the world.
But then we hit that little sharp curve right past Walt Road, coming back towards Loudon, and all of a sudden dad's truck cuts out. He starts trying to run out of gas.
[00:20:19] Speaker C: Luckily.
[00:20:20] Speaker B: I don't know, maybe just going downhill or maybe that something. But for some reason we made it to the old loud hospital up on the hill.
[00:20:28] Speaker A: Yeah, which is.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: I don't know if you've seen it late. It looks like an insane asylum now.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: I think so too. I think so too.
I believe that's. What is it. Dementia patients that live right now.
[00:20:39] Speaker C: I'm not for sure.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it's something like that. But yeah, it does kind of look like that. I agree with you. Yeah, I agree.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: That's where all the crazy star now
[00:20:47] Speaker C: therefore, he can absolutely flat out ride a dirt bike him and his brother both. Now what you in like a. Like actual competition there for a little bit.
[00:20:57] Speaker A: We raced.
[00:20:58] Speaker B: I never did get quite as serious as my brother did.
[00:21:00] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: I took. I took a right turn and said, I want to ride bulls.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:21:05] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:21:06] Speaker B: And my mother took me down to a guy's house named Steve Udi when I was younger.
And she wanted to take me down there where I'd keep my mouth shut and I wouldn't push on her anymore. Well, it kind of had a reverse effect and bitter in the butt. And I end up. I end up hanging with that for over 20 years. That's for sure.
Over 20 years. It just. Rodeo was an every weekend thing.
[00:21:34] Speaker C: I rode my first bull right out there. I don't know if you remember that. It wasn't even a bull.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: No, it was like, okay, that's like a cat that was moo. That was mo. She's a black Angus that we had bottle fed.
[00:21:47] Speaker B: Yeah. That broken leg.
[00:21:49] Speaker A: Yeah, she had a broken leg. That's how. That's how his mama ended up getting her. She was rehabbing her.
[00:21:54] Speaker C: You're making me feel better every time.
[00:21:56] Speaker B: Well, that's all right. I remember Bo.
[00:21:57] Speaker A: That's the only one I got on, too.
[00:21:58] Speaker B: Got on. I remember he hit on his point on that butt cheek. He rolled around his hands on his butt, like doing like the flop, you know, where you get that sharp. You get it just right. Just Perfect spot.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't want none of that.
Ground's too hard. I found that out real quick. I couldn't imagine being on something that buck me even higher, you know?
[00:22:19] Speaker B: So it's a. It's crazy the stuff we survived.
[00:22:23] Speaker A: It is.
It really, truly is.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: My oldest has been. She goes, what was it like when you grew up? And there this was a conversation we had this morning.
I said, they're.
Everybody knew everybody.
[00:22:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:36] Speaker B: I said you could. Nobody was stressed if you walked across the street.
[00:22:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:41] Speaker B: I said there was no concern at all. And if your behavior was bad, somebody else's parent would. Would handle it.
[00:22:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:48] Speaker B: I said, gosh, now I'm afraid to let y' all walk and go check the mailbox because somebody texting and driving or you all making a bad decision, like shooting a BB gun towards the house like you did yesterday. You know, that was literally the example.
And, man, it's just you. You look down our street now. Oh, I don't know.
[00:23:08] Speaker A: It's sick, dude.
[00:23:09] Speaker B: Five people.
[00:23:10] Speaker A: It makes me sick.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:12] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, be thankful you don't live on this road. No, More because it makes me sick.
[00:23:16] Speaker B: It really does.
[00:23:17] Speaker A: I can't.
[00:23:18] Speaker C: I had three houses. I bought my house in 08. I had three houses on a dead end road. And now I have like 13 or 14 on a quarter mile. Dead end road.
Yeah, quarter mile. They built, they built nine homes last year.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: That's my goal is to make sure nobody can move around me. That's what I'm trying to do.
[00:23:39] Speaker B: Crazy.
[00:23:40] Speaker C: I remember in Loudon, I mean it wasn't nothing for us to hop on a bike and just ride from.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: From Food City and Loudon, wherever we wanted to.
[00:23:50] Speaker C: Down, Down Mart.
[00:23:51] Speaker A: I mean wherever we wanted to.
[00:23:54] Speaker C: At Mulberry, all the way down Mulberry, all the way to the fountain.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: I knew.
[00:23:57] Speaker C: I just know I couldn't go across that bridge is what mom always told me.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: We knew we were too mean. Anybody. Ain't nobody gonna kidnap us.
We were way too mean.
We were way too mean. My dad used to tell my mom, she'd say, what if they get kidnapped? You know, dad say they're gonna come back and kill us. What's gonna happen?
That's what dad used to always say.
But yeah, it was. It was.
[00:24:23] Speaker C: I won't even let my kids play out. This is crazy. I want it. I live on that dead end road and I won't even let them play out in the yard without me out there watching them or something.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: Boy, I'd let them out. I'd let my two out there because my two. I can't, you know. You know how close I live on this road. It's. God, it's so bad. But I let them out there. We make them go around the back of the house here. I mean, heck, you look out here, there's a pitching mound out here and nets and all kinds. We might even get back here out of the way, you know, you don't know what kind of idiots can come up there and blow through that stop sign.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: And that makes. That puts such a cap on what they're gonna. Their future because they're never going to understand how to sort. Sort issues out.
[00:25:01] Speaker C: Yeah, like. Or got. Got a pro issue and how to handle it.
[00:25:07] Speaker A: I mean if you, if you guys think, if you actually stop and think for a minute like how much has changed from the 90s when we all were born and grew up and grew up in the 90s and how, how quickly it changed from like 2000, you know, I don't remember a ton of anything relevant still. I was over 10 years old probably. It was just fun and crazy and Wild or whatever. But by the time I hit 2000, you know, year 2000, I'm 10 years old in that year. You guys were 11 or 12 probably.
You know, that's really when things like you notice a change and stuff. I mean, I can remember riding around in dad's truck listening to cassette tapes. You know, Everybody didn't have CDs and CD players. I don't even know if they're around, you know, but it was tapes. And then it went to CDs and then MP3 players and this and that and this and that, you know, and then dial up Internet came out. And now all of a sudden you have Internet on your phone. Well, hell, even a phone then. I was just thinking the other day
[00:26:16] Speaker C: about riding in the back of a pickup truck. Yeah, my kids, they're not gonna get to do that. I mean, not to what we used to do. 60 down, 72.
[00:26:26] Speaker A: Do that on interstate. Cody's talking about going to Watt Road, ride dirt bikes. One time I went up there, ride four wheelers with Ryan Stevens and his dad. And he had an old Chevrolet dually and old trailer didn't even have a middle floor. It was just like a car hauler. So it was just wide enough to put cars on. The center was open. You know, we'd get them four wheelers on there and turn them sideways and line them up. Me, him and Brody went up there and his daddy took us.
We rode in the back of the truck all the way up to Watt Road. And when we left that place, we were going. You know, that driveway in was rutted out and it was rough and we were coming through there and I'm sitting on the. Against the tailgate, you know, turning, tailgate right here in the back of the bed or looking, I look over like that right there.
Freaking trailer comes off of all.
We're in the back of the dang truck. What about what happened on the interstate? You know, Gosh, I mean, it's a million wonders. We survived. It really is.
Play basketball out in the middle of the road, just.
[00:27:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, we'd make them stop.
[00:27:25] Speaker A: Didn't have to worry about it. They didn't care to stop. It wasn't in such a big hurry,
[00:27:30] Speaker C: you know, that's another problem. Everybody wants it right now.
[00:27:32] Speaker A: Everybody's in a rush.
[00:27:34] Speaker C: Gotta have it.
[00:27:34] Speaker A: Everybody's in a rush.
[00:27:35] Speaker B: I'll bet you deal with that bunch.
[00:27:36] Speaker C: Oh, I do, I do, absolutely.
[00:27:38] Speaker B: And I'm guilty of it too.
[00:27:40] Speaker C: No, I get. Well, I mean, I get it, you know, it's Just like I tell everybody, I can have it all, you know, I can have it for you tonight, you know, tomorrow or whatever.
[00:27:48] Speaker A: We're gotten way off topic.
[00:27:50] Speaker C: That's fine.
[00:27:51] Speaker A: So.
[00:27:52] Speaker B: Oh, I thought this was like.
[00:27:56] Speaker C: This is perfect. It's fine.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: It doesn't matter.
[00:27:58] Speaker C: It's fine.
[00:27:58] Speaker A: I just want to make sure we get everything out because we're not. We've not finished yet. You yet with you shoot horses for 12, 14 years. Something like that. And you decided when you this moved around and your head went golly, man, this is long enough. What did you decide to do?
[00:28:16] Speaker B: Well, by this point I was up to three kids. I had done been through one marriage 13 years. It was a peaceful, peaceful part ways. We've been together a long time.
[00:28:25] Speaker C: I did not know that. Yeah.
[00:28:27] Speaker B: We just. We grew apart and it was mutual decision that things be better. And now we're all really close friends.
Taylor and my current wife, I mean they talk daily and I mean about everything.
[00:28:39] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:40] Speaker B: And man, they'll get to roast to me and it's.
It's wonderful to be honest with you because that means they're not fighting with each other.
[00:28:47] Speaker C: Yeah, that's true.
[00:28:48] Speaker B: Absolutely it is. And now I end up having a little boy with. With Jess. And now we have got a little girl do and two weeks.
[00:28:58] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:28:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:00] Speaker A: And you're doing what now for a living? Since you hung a rasp up pretty
[00:29:05] Speaker B: much anything that has to do with cleaning property up nonetheless. So we end up buying an excavator.
Bought a mulching head for it and that kind of. That had a little bit of traction but just simplistic bush hogging that seems to be.
People don't like bush hogging, seep stuff and that they will absolutely pay almost anything you want to where they don't have to worry about rolling their tractor on the spot.
[00:29:33] Speaker A: Huh. Wow. Really?
[00:29:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Within, you know, within realistic expectation that you can't go in there.
[00:29:41] Speaker C: I mean if you know that's. That's. That's pretty. That's pretty slick. I mean going from that. From shoeing horses and them things kicking your butt, you know. I'm not saying that excavating is easy but like you said if you got a cab in, you know that that
[00:29:56] Speaker A: makes it as long as you ain't gotta worry about freaking allergies. Right.
[00:29:58] Speaker C: I've been on the excavator for an old T190 Bobcat on that thing for about. About seven hours. And you get off of it and you feel. Still feel like you're on it. Everything still feels.
[00:30:09] Speaker A: I can't close my hands like that without feeling it just vibrate through my arms.
[00:30:13] Speaker C: But I mean, wore out thing. I'm like now I can't imagine what a smooth machine feels like, you know, like a nice new machine.
[00:30:19] Speaker A: But it'll feel rough. It's got tracks on. It's rough, man.
[00:30:23] Speaker C: I know. Yeah. But I'm just talking about the sticks. You can just feel everything in the sticks with that T190. I can only imagine what a something nice feels like.
[00:30:32] Speaker B: You know, I like to have the payment on that T190 as opposed to something nice.
[00:30:37] Speaker C: I guarantee you. I guarantee it.
[00:30:39] Speaker B: Like I said I was. Things were really tight back during the winter and it's. And I'm not a very spiritual person.
But it seems like God gives me just enough each month.
And at first I looked like. Looked at it like, you know, gosh, you know, I'm working as hard as I can. I'm milking every avenue that's got a dairy barn on it. Why am I not getting ahead? And then I step back and realize, you know what a lot of people would love to be in this position.
You know, just getting by.
[00:31:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:11] Speaker B: So it's funny, I chilled out a little bit and for some reason a little more traction got gathered up and things kind of started snowballing a little better.
[00:31:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:21] Speaker B: Y.
[00:31:21] Speaker A: So you busy right now?
[00:31:22] Speaker B: Fair. Yeah. I always want more. Always. But we. I'm happy with what I got. I got a little time off when I want it. And we are. We take advantage of in the works here though.
[00:31:33] Speaker A: Are you. Are you having to travel much for
[00:31:36] Speaker B: doing any of that?
[00:31:37] Speaker C: A little bit.
[00:31:38] Speaker B: When I say travel up, we're just only, you know, we might go an hour and a half.
[00:31:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: But state troopers have kind of made it a little tougher on your. On your business.
On your company's going up and down the road. Yeah, you know, they've.
And rightly so, but they've. They've made it tougher. Where you might be able to go and get an excavator and not have to make a payment for the first year.
But t dot's gonna make it where you had to go through.
[00:32:08] Speaker C: Oh yeah. Jump through every hoop.
[00:32:10] Speaker B: They are $6,000 worth of permits, tags. Yeah. Everything to where you can.
[00:32:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:32:17] Speaker A: Yeah. If you're gonna make anything off of it, you're gonna have to pay a bunch. Bunch to them.
[00:32:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:21] Speaker A: It's like my father in law, he's
[00:32:23] Speaker C: worried they'll even pull you over the right trooper will even pull you over and check your stuff.
[00:32:27] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely they will.
[00:32:29] Speaker C: Easy. I didn't know that. I just thought it was way stations and stuff like that. But if you get an inspection officer that is certified, if he rolls up by you, it's like the guys with the mowers and stuff.
[00:32:38] Speaker A: Oh yeah.
[00:32:38] Speaker C: They'll stop that truck. Check every single chain, every strap, the.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: The poundage on everything about it. And guess what? Them two mowers on there that you got and that backpack blower and that little bit of mulch on the back because you're gonna be doing some mulching later and all that. When it adds up because you got them two 2500 pound axles on there and you're at 6,000 pounds. I had a guy tell me that TDOT wrote him up. I think it was $10 for every pound he was over.
[00:33:07] Speaker C: Exactly what it was.
[00:33:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:09] Speaker C: And they'll do the same thing if you're not strapped up. In Knoxville, a guy, one of my customers, he was up there doing some over aerating, overseeding and stuff. And he didn't have nothing strapped down. He was just going like mile down the road, whatever the next house. He didn't strap nothing down.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:25] Speaker C: And he had like two aerators, a seed hopper with like a big mower.
[00:33:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:31] Speaker C: And it was, it was. It was ten dollars for every hundred pounds that was unstrapped.
[00:33:37] Speaker A: Ha.
[00:33:38] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:39] Speaker A: And it forever £100.
[00:33:40] Speaker C: Every hundred pounds that was unstrapped. And it was somewhere in the ballpark of like 8. Like I think he told me.
[00:33:47] Speaker A: I'm not.
[00:33:47] Speaker C: If I'm not mistaken, it's like $8,000 worth of fines.
[00:33:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:50] Speaker C: That they got.
[00:33:52] Speaker A: They will absolutely. They will hammer you.
[00:33:54] Speaker C: At the way station. Right past my store, they've got a way station. You roll off if the cops are present. The troopers going towards greenback.
[00:34:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:02] Speaker C: And they'll sit there. They called a big company that is a really good customer of mine, construction company.
They went across the scales with one of their dump trucks.
Failed tires or something. I don't know exactly date, whatever it was.
[00:34:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:22] Speaker C: They called C and D C D to come fix their tires for them.
And as they're sitting on the scales, this is what they come from the driver. As they're sitting on the scales, the trooper goes back to C and D and wrote them up for four seatbelt tickets. They were. Because they were on 411. Even on the. Even on the way station though.
[00:34:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:43] Speaker C: I don't know if they didn't Pull in and they didn't have them on. I don't know. I don't know.
[00:34:47] Speaker A: So he went back there and got the truck coming to help the other one.
[00:34:50] Speaker C: Yes. Absolutely crazy.
[00:34:53] Speaker B: I had one behind me this morning. I took. Took that excavator down there.
It's over. Over the commercial driver, you know, it's over 26, 000 pounds, everything combined.
And he. He checked both sides at first. Come up on my passenger side. Like, I could see him hanging out.
I don't have any of my. Anything.
[00:35:20] Speaker A: I got.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: I got business insurance. I got, you know, if I. If I have a screw up, everything's covered, right? Yeah.
[00:35:26] Speaker C: Right.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: And I take every safety precaution. There's.
[00:35:29] Speaker A: You got your tags.
[00:35:30] Speaker B: No, no.
[00:35:31] Speaker C: That's.
[00:35:31] Speaker B: What. No.
[00:35:33] Speaker A: I can't believe he didn't get you.
[00:35:35] Speaker B: Well, no, if you're gonna put under a commercial tag, they're more apt to pull you over where right now he
[00:35:40] Speaker A: thinks, you know, you could say farm use or whatever. Yeah.
[00:35:44] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah. But he did. He checked both sides. And whenever I saw him back off because I knew my stuff was pretty good. I said, well, there's no sense in not going on over. So I pulled over and he pulled up on the other side and looked at it, then just waved as he passed by. And I said, girls, I'm glad y' all don't have to cry your way out of that ticket.
She's over there stressing. She's a.
Would they have taken you to jail? I said, probably.
My 7 year old. She's. She's done exceptionally well. She's in the top 8% in the country.
[00:36:26] Speaker A: In what?
[00:36:27] Speaker B: Reading.
[00:36:29] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:36:31] Speaker A: She didn't take after you.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: Maybe I just didn't lead on with you all.
[00:36:36] Speaker C: That's what it is.
[00:36:39] Speaker B: Talk low, talk slow, but don't talk too much.
But yeah, she read 100 and. I don't know, somewhere around 150 words a minute. And that was as a. The early part of her being a first grader.
So there's no. Yeah. And she was way on up her math too.
But as far, she can't figure out how to kill all the conditioner out of her hair. I mean, it's. Yeah.
[00:37:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:05] Speaker C: There's always a yeah, that's it.
[00:37:07] Speaker B: Yeah. There's cash.
[00:37:09] Speaker A: If Avery sees an A, V, an E and R or Y or any of those letters, it's in his name. On anything he tells me, his name's on it.
So I'm just waiting. We'll see where mine falls out. I'LL let you know.
[00:37:23] Speaker C: You know, I was just thinking when you were telling that story a second ago, your brother come and he dug a.
[00:37:31] Speaker A: Hey, must be talking about his brother.
[00:37:34] Speaker C: No, no, no, no.
He come and dug a in ground or a above ground pool. I wanted it in ground. So he come and dug me out of in ground at my house and I stuck a. I'm sorry, yeah, the in ground above ground pool. I stuck an in ground in this. What he cut in the ground in the ground. That's what I'm trying to say. So. And it was one of them cheap pools. But anyways, he done it and he cut it out perfect. I mean he transit laid it all out. And speaking of strapping everything down and you know. Hi, was he knobs.
He puts that thing up on the trailer. He's like, all right, I'll stop. I paid him.
Pulls it up on trailer, jumps off trailer grabs the truck and I mean hauled the mail up. Hi Wasi. I called him about probably, I don't know, two minutes. I said, man, you didn't strap any of that down. It'd be all right. Don't worry about it. I'm just on the way home, I'm just heading towards the house.
[00:38:29] Speaker A: I said, okay.
[00:38:30] Speaker C: Which at that time, I think he lived down Von or Sweetwater.
[00:38:34] Speaker A: He used to holl that over before.
[00:38:35] Speaker C: He didn't miss a beat though. I'm good, I'm. I'm just. I was like, you're going up high, Watti Knobs.
[00:38:41] Speaker B: You're the reason why they're dang state troopers after everybody trying to make a living. Appreciate that.
[00:38:46] Speaker A: When, when he got done working for fud, he, he hadn't been done with him too long. I was still working at Farragut and he came by the store one day and he had a car hauling trailer with a Mini X on it warped up. Ben, you can tell he's been hauling way too much weight, you know, wheels about to fall off. Stupid truck one come loose or something. Wanted me to make sure it's still tight. Just, I mean just doing what he could do but making it work.
[00:39:15] Speaker B: There's a reason why I don't let him borrow any of my stuff. And if I let him borrow a trailer, I'll say the only thing that moves it is the ball of another truck because he will grab the tongue or something with his excavator.
Yeah, I think he's harder on stuff than Keith Kelly was.
Keith Kelly go and hooked a 20,000 pound dozer with his 1500 pound pickup. And I mean to have a hard foot of rope and he'll, he's gonna put 90 foot slack in there to start out with.
Oh man.
[00:39:57] Speaker A: So Cody's brother Matt's, we'll have him on here one day too. We'll get him as a guest. But he's, he's another success story.
Another one. Both of you guys have done extremely well. Absolutely. Extremely well.
[00:40:13] Speaker C: I think about you all the time. I do.
[00:40:15] Speaker A: Yeah. I envy both onions.
[00:40:17] Speaker C: How, like in school, how, man, these cats ain't gonna do nothing, you know, and you always hear the teachers. I'm sure you was told many times in high school, oh, but you ain't never going to be anything.
[00:40:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:29] Speaker C: You know what I mean? And, and what'd you say, 240? Ain't nobody seen 240 in, in, in 20 years at high school, you know what I mean? They ain't making that, you know what I mean? It's just.
[00:40:41] Speaker A: No, no, that's every, every event leads
[00:40:45] Speaker B: you to where you're at. It could be, you know, all of us are surrounded with pretty good, pretty good work ethic as far as everybody in our families worked, you know, it wasn't an option, right?
[00:40:55] Speaker C: No, absolutely.
[00:40:56] Speaker B: The question was, was how hard are you going to kick it to, you know, be comfortable.
[00:41:01] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I think, I think too. And I mean, I'm speaking for myself. Like when I was growing up, I was pretty dang poor. I mean, just, I was, I mean, it's just the way it was. Mom was working two jobs and dad's back was broke and I worked at the grocery store from 11 to 18.
And that's all I knew. You know what I mean? That's all I knew. And I just know that Mom's like, you got to work, you got to work, you got to work. That's all she done. You know, she, she'd work from 7:30 till 4:30 at the courthouse and then she'd leave and go to the neighborhood at Tellico Village and work from 5:30 to 9:30, 10 o' clock at night and done it for five, six years straight, you know, until she come county clerk. But I just see that and then the, I guess how we were raised, like we didn't get everything we wanted. And I think as of today, we could probably have pretty much anything we want. You know, if we want it, we can go get it.
[00:41:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:58] Speaker C: You know, I think we're extremely blessed in that way, but I think a lot of it was our raising and we're like, I Said, speaking for myself, I think we were raised kind of poor.
[00:42:07] Speaker B: Yeah, we need silver spoon. Yeah,
[00:42:10] Speaker A: I can't say that.
[00:42:12] Speaker B: Yeah, he had that. That wood grain bronco.
[00:42:21] Speaker A: Oh my gosh.
[00:42:22] Speaker C: Well, your dad did teach you and your mom did. That's all they've done though, is work. I know they.
[00:42:28] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, my mom. My mom and dad work. I. I can't say that I really needed for anything though. You know, we always had food on the table or fed friends over or anybody else. You know, nobody go hungry unless it was Cameron Kelly because he would only eat Nutter Butters.
But, you know, we. Anywhere we'd go, we go to your mom, dad's or over your mom's house swimming and y' all order pizza.
We'd be at Kelly's pool and they'd order something or we'd eat at my mom and dad's. We'd. I mean, it ain't like we ever went hungry. We had bikes, motorcycles, four wheelers.
[00:43:06] Speaker C: Absolutely. I'm not going.
[00:43:07] Speaker A: You know, it ain't like we. It ain't like we were just pours a church mouse or something, you know, but it was at the same time, you know, we. We never seen our. We never were taught that you're going to get anything by not working. I mean, my parents were gone. My mom worked swing shift.
She was. If she wasn't there, she was at work and she was there. You got outside and you shut up because if you woke her up, you were dead.
[00:43:32] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:43:32] Speaker C: I remember coming to your.
And. And that being a thing.
[00:43:35] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
[00:43:38] Speaker C: Always. Dick. It took me. It took me many times to figure out what she was calling him.
[00:43:44] Speaker B: I think she just. She just changed the letter. We all know what she really meant.
Cutting your ear off for that pool.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: I was up there the other day.
Yeah, with the pool skimmer pole.
[00:44:01] Speaker B: Yeah, the pole.
[00:44:04] Speaker A: I was up there swimming on 4th of July, day before the 4th of July, and Will threw something at me standing up there on that deck and threw. Threw something at me, you know, like that. I say, don't you do that again. You like your daddy, you know, to that skimmer pole about cut. Cut half my ear off, Dag on it.
But.
But yeah, he was just like his daddy. But Imv, man, you work for yourself and there's so much that goes into that, you know, it, there's. It ain't. It isn't all about the money. The money makes things easier.
But sometimes you might need to give up some money.
[00:44:44] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:44:45] Speaker B: I agree with that.
[00:44:46] Speaker A: To. To truly Become rich.
[00:44:48] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, free. Free and rich. Absolutely.
[00:44:52] Speaker B: But don't. Something that I have just acquired here in the last. The last probably three or four months in all honesty, somebody's in that closet.
You heard noise. All of a sudden, you start looking around.
[00:45:06] Speaker A: I'm waiting on some kids to be busting through.
[00:45:09] Speaker B: Is.
Don't spend so much time trying to build a living that you forget to have a life.
[00:45:16] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, absolutely.
[00:45:18] Speaker B: Because it's, you know, we've all got young kids right now, and I saw a thing the other day, said you never take the same kid to the beach twice.
Let that sink in and.
[00:45:31] Speaker A: Yeah, no, you don't. Yeah, you don't.
[00:45:33] Speaker B: And by the time we did the math on it here years ago, whenever me and Jess first got together was I get my daughter's 50 of time. Callie and Libby 50. Ralph the bat. Well, I have to share.
Share that with school. So out of that 50% between school and extracurriculars and my work schedules, trying to get off at, you know, four or five every day or be done, I'm down to 12% of the rest of their life.
[00:46:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:03] Speaker B: After the age of 13, all of a sudden, those kids want to cut that by, like 75%. So you're down to 3% productive time before they're 12.
[00:46:14] Speaker A: Yeah. You can look at stuff like that. Like, I see that's like, you get one summer with your baby, you get two summers with your toddler, you get, you know, it. It breaks it down like that, and it's. It's not much at all. And speaking of spending or.
No, what you say I'm not spending.
Shoot.
What was it you just said? Something about don't spend all your time making money or whatever. And it said. It said, I seen something the other day, and it made me stop and think for a minute, but it was like, the most expensive thing you'll ever spend money on or spend is your time.
That's the most expensive spending you'll ever
[00:46:58] Speaker B: do is your time.
[00:46:59] Speaker A: Be careful how much you work or whatever. You know, something like that.
[00:47:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: Well, I think we get it in our mind, or at least in my mind, I want to provide. Like, for some reason, I got on a kick when I really kind of when I started getting a little bit of traction shooting horses, I said, I want to leave it where my kids can relax later on, you know, something, you know, probably just like you, Russ. And I'm not saying anything bad about I'm a product of my own competence. Not.
I want to do better. I want to. I want my life to be better than mine was because I find that kind of stuff to be a little self centered. But I want generational wealth.
[00:47:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:37] Speaker B: I want to be able to pass.
[00:47:38] Speaker C: I would love absolutely. Yeah.
[00:47:40] Speaker B: But it's not doable.
[00:47:41] Speaker C: It's absolutely not in today's world.
[00:47:43] Speaker B: It's not because anything extra, you make that somebody else.
[00:47:48] Speaker C: I love my kids. I love them to death. I'm gonna do anything for them. But they're gonna have to figure out how to make it. I just hate to tell them because me and mom, we got to, we got to survive too. You know what I mean? You can't, you know. Yeah. I'm hoping, I'm hoping to be debt free in three to five years. It Will that happen? I don't know. But I'm just saying, like. Well, y' all gonna have to figure it out.
[00:48:09] Speaker A: We're getting.
[00:48:09] Speaker C: I'm here for you, but we're getting
[00:48:11] Speaker A: ready to go into a.
Some sort of a depression in the United States.
Speaking of. So we'll just go off to this. I wasn't gonna bring it up but. But it's kind of getting there. I listen and I'm not done with it yet. I've still probably got 30 more minutes left. But the new episode that on the Sean Ryan show, which is podcast Shout out Sean Ryan, his newest episode, he's got Mike Row on there dirty jobs, you know, and it's a good one, man. I like M Row. But he said there's seven and a half million working or non working men in the United States.
[00:48:53] Speaker C: Two. Wow.
[00:48:55] Speaker A: So there's four. I think that's right. Maybe. Anyway, there's like 400 and something thousand jobs available right now needing workers and welding welders.
Okay.
For every five that retire, two are being replaced.
And last year we built three ships for the war for naval. Three ships. Trying to build over 20 some.
Yeah, we were able to build three. Yeah.
But what it, what's coming, what it's going to come down to is, I mean we're gonna, we're gonna lapse over here soon with something's gonna come to a head.
We're gonna go into a recession. We're gonna have, you know, it's. Everything that we do is it's going to come down in cost because you're gonna, you're not gonna be able to charge too much. It's like the housing industry, you know, it goes way up when everything's just, you know, like this most recent Covid, it Goes way up. Well, eventually people are gonna quit buying. Everybody's have to lower the cost.
You know, it's eventually going to happen.
[00:50:08] Speaker C: Has to happen. I mean it has to happen now. Whether it will, I don't know.
[00:50:11] Speaker A: Some, something. Yeah, something's gonna, something is gonna happen.
[00:50:14] Speaker C: Everybody's been paying the price.
[00:50:16] Speaker A: Something is gonna happen. I just don't know how it's gonna, how and who all it's going to affect.
So it's a big push right now though that your, your blue collar jobs, all your trade jobs and things like that, they said that those, that you're here soon you're only gonna be able to associate trade jobs with millionaires. That's what they say.
[00:50:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I hope that's right.
[00:50:39] Speaker C: No joke.
No joke.
[00:50:43] Speaker A: Well, the last recession we had, I mean we had best. I mean we're setting records, you know, with business because people can't afford to buy new, you know, more, you know, you go in there and you know, but they, they said, you know, when we're, I'm listening to this podcast and it's how, how do we have a 400 something thousand needs for jobs in this country with all these people not being able to work and still going on? You know, why, why is it like that? And he said, you know one thing, I think it was micro said it, but he made a good point and he said go back to the Great Depression.
Go back to that where you had people standing in lines to get some food because there was no job to have.
[00:51:31] Speaker B: Right?
[00:51:31] Speaker A: They were, they didn't have jobs during the Great Depression. So you didn't have a job to go to to make money to get food. So you stood in lines. He goes, and I guarantee you if you walked up to those people and offered them a job with one of these $400,000 or one of these 400,000 jobs that are needed right now. They every one of them be chomping at the bit. Anything to be. So it's a, it's a lifestyle. What, what it's a culture and a
[00:51:58] Speaker C: lifestyle with all this is. I know, I know. If I could name three people I'm not going to. I can name three people right now who do not have a job and that says they can't find a job. When have. I'm speaking for myself. When have I ever found a job? That's like, oh yeah, that's what I want right there. That's the job that I want. That's not reality. That is not reality. Reality is okay, here's here's working at McDonald's or here's working at Walmart or here's. You can't tell me you can't find a job or you can't get a job. I don't believe it. It's not the job you want. But that's not reality. Reality is I've got bills. Or you're 27 years old and you're still in your mom and dad's basement and you don't have to worry about nothing because mom and dad are doing this for you.
[00:52:47] Speaker A: But see, that's the problem. Right?
[00:52:49] Speaker C: I know that. Absolutely it is. But don't tell me you can't find it and do better for yourself. You know what I mean? You may not want that job at Walmart or Dollar General or McDonald's, but I'm like, it's not, it's, it's what they want. And then it's, and then if they get the job. This isn't fun. What job is fun? Yeah, I want to, I've heard that so many times. It ain't fun. It works. Not fun.
[00:53:12] Speaker B: Yeah, but especially not at entry level.
[00:53:16] Speaker A: No, no, no.
[00:53:17] Speaker B: Absolutely not. But there's always somebody there right now to pick up. 90% of the. Everybody's got somebody that if they get in a financial pickle, somebody's gonna back them government.
[00:53:29] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:53:30] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:53:30] Speaker C: Bail them out. Absolutely.
[00:53:32] Speaker B: Like, you know, like that stimulus check deal. And I, I, I could not, I wrapped my head around there, try to wrap my head around that multiple times and I still cannot see, see the benefit of that. Everybody treated that like free money.
[00:53:49] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[00:53:50] Speaker B: Nobody was, was conservative about it or,
[00:53:54] Speaker C: yeah, it wasn't for to go spend. No joke. I had customers that come in and ask me to the dollar amount how much this mower cost down to the taxes.
All right. Soon as that money hits, I'll be, yeah, I'll be down here and get it. I'm like, that is not what this is for. But if you want to mower, you come on down here and I'll take your stimulus money from you. Because somebody's going to.
[00:54:14] Speaker A: You know what we did with ours, Megan?
I guess. How long ago was that? It seems like a long time ago. That's four years ago. Yeah.
You remember how much it was?
[00:54:26] Speaker B: $2400.
Okay.
[00:54:29] Speaker A: I told her, I said, somebody's going to have to pay for this. I said, put it in an account, let's not touch it. You have to give it back to somebody. You know,
[00:54:39] Speaker B: once again, I'd kind of My.
I was not real proficient doing my taxes, and we were making. I think I was actually two years behind with the irs, which have caught up now, except for last year. But we. We never got that because we hadn't filed taxes in.
I guess it had been 2000. 17.
Does that sound right? 16. But we end up. We got one stimulus check out of that boy, they send out three or four.
[00:55:13] Speaker A: I have no idea.
[00:55:14] Speaker B: I don't remember. But then we ended up being able to claim it on the taxes later on. So everybody just kind of got their. Their bonus Christmas gift early is what that was.
[00:55:24] Speaker A: Yeah, but.
[00:55:25] Speaker B: Yeah, as long as long as there's somebody there to bail you out, you're not going to. You're not going to put.
[00:55:31] Speaker C: I don't even know that I would feel right if. If I was getting some sort of paycheck from somewhere like the government or, you know, whatever the case is. I don't even think I would feel right of. You know what I mean? Would you? I mean, if somebody was sending you 25.
[00:55:45] Speaker A: You mean if I was sitting in the house collecting a welfare check or something?
[00:55:48] Speaker C: Something. Yeah.
[00:55:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I'd feel weird.
I'd love for it to happen to me.
[00:55:53] Speaker C: Well, I'm not saying I wouldn't love
[00:55:55] Speaker A: for it to happen. I could use a little. At least one or two.
[00:55:58] Speaker B: Yeah, let me try it out for a month.
[00:56:01] Speaker C: I just don't know if it'd feel.
[00:56:04] Speaker A: Well, you. So you brought it up without me even saying. That's what they were talking about today on there, too, on that podcast was you got to rip that safety net out from under them micros. Like, if I'm on the top tight wire walking up there, you know, and I've done it forever and I ain't fell yet, but I got a safety net down there. If I do fall, you know, I'm fine, I'm fine. I can do whatever. And then all of a sudden, one day he was talking about he had put some money up and trusted an investor and he had had like a million dollars, like, for this invested, and he was doing good and everything. And all of a sudden this guy. This guy ran off of money, and then he just had nothing. He goes, now all of a sudden, I look down, that safety net's gone. He's like, that's what we. That's what we need. Is all these safety nets gone for everybody. Start doing what they need to do to people.
[00:56:49] Speaker C: Sometimes people need to get a little uncomfortable to. To really make them push harder.
[00:56:54] Speaker A: I mean, absolutely. I was off work today.
Okay, what did I do?
I set an alarm at 6. I got up, I drove up to more city, mowed. The bosses started mowing the boss's yard. Brody's on vacation.
So I started at 8 o'. Clock. I moved from 8 until 10:30.
Met Megan at work, got in the car with her. We drove over to Herman for a baseball, state baseball tournament. Rained us out. Jump straight back, went back to mowing and mowed till 5 o'. Clock. Come home, it's like I was at work all day anyway, even though I was off today.
But you, you ain't got people doing that kind of thing. I didn't have to go mow up there.
[00:57:33] Speaker B: Right.
[00:57:33] Speaker A: I don't need the money.
[00:57:35] Speaker C: Right.
[00:57:35] Speaker A: I don't. Well, you know, I know what you. I, I ain't just, I ain't just starving, you know, Side hustle.
[00:57:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:57:41] Speaker A: But I mean, there's got to be a drive in somebody.
[00:57:45] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:57:46] Speaker A: To, to just want to do better, you know, it comes down to that. You got to want to do better.
[00:57:51] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:57:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:57:52] Speaker A: You know, whatever it takes.
[00:57:54] Speaker B: Well, and that's if there's a double edged knife with that too, though, you know, like we were discussing earlier where you can still put in overtime and be no further ahead than you were if you put in 25, I took
[00:58:07] Speaker A: out double the taxes on you still made two, you made 200 more worth eight hours longer.
[00:58:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:11] Speaker A: You know, or. Well, that don't math up, but yeah,
[00:58:14] Speaker C: well, I know what you mean.
[00:58:15] Speaker A: But yeah, it's. There's definitely a way you got to look at it there. But. But I think it's more than that, man. I think it's more than that. When I worked, it wasn't just about me.
It was about the guys I worked with too. I didn't want to leave, you know, if somebody want. If, like for example, me and Matt, all three of us working together, you got sick, couldn't come to work. And I was off that day and somebody called me to come in. I ain't gonna think to myself for a half a second, I go and work. They're gonna take it all out in tax.
I think I'll just stay home.
No, right. I'm gonna think, first thing I'm gonna think of is that, Matt, I'm gonna go help. I'm gonna go help my co worker. I'm gonna go in, I'm gonna help him.
[00:59:00] Speaker C: Hey.
[00:59:00] Speaker A: And I'm gonna make a little extra money. That's the second thing I'm gonna think.
[00:59:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
That.
[00:59:05] Speaker A: That's another thing right there. People only care about themselves.
[00:59:08] Speaker C: I tell you, as a guy, we bought fireworks from one of my customers, really good customers, and we went and bought, you know, some fireworks. Help, you know, help him out. And he was heading to the beach after the fourth, and he said his daughter had to pay one of their co workers. I don't know who runs this fast food joint.
Whoever manages it needs their tail end kicked. I don't know whenever. When you're not scheduled to work and. But if I call you in to come work, you need to come work. It's just how. That's how I've always thought it works. But she. He had to give his daughter 50 bucks for somebody to come cover her shift because she needed to be off so they could leave to go to vacation.
[00:59:52] Speaker A: So she. In other words, she paid.
[00:59:55] Speaker C: She paid some dude to come in,
[00:59:57] Speaker A: come in and work, cover her y.
[00:59:59] Speaker C: For 50 bucks. I thought you have.
[01:00:01] Speaker A: You ain't got people out there needing it, man. They ain't wanting it. They're okay with whatever bar they're at. They're not trying to set another one higher and do any better. They get comfortable where they're at, and that's all they need.
[01:00:12] Speaker C: I said, you gave her. She's like. He's like, well, I want her to go to the beach and not lose her job.
But the manager made her find somebody. The manager didn't find somebody. She. The manager made her find something.
[01:00:23] Speaker A: That's what I'd do.
I'd say, you want to be.
[01:00:26] Speaker C: You know, I mean, I'm just saying.
[01:00:27] Speaker A: Well, I don't know about the money, but if you work for me and you want to be off on a day, somebody. Yeah, find somebody. Cover your ship.
[01:00:34] Speaker C: If everybody says no and you go back to the boss, but you're the
[01:00:36] Speaker A: one scheduled to be here today.
[01:00:38] Speaker C: I get it. I get it, okay? I get that work for you. I'm just. I'm just telling you, though. It just. You're the boss. I'm leaving. You can wrap me up, do what you want. Now it's in your hands.
[01:00:48] Speaker A: I just don't need you. Come on, Cody.
[01:00:52] Speaker C: That's. That's my thought. You're the manager.
[01:00:54] Speaker A: You want to go to the beach bad enough. When you get back home after you're beaching it up. Yeah, I don't need to see you here.
[01:01:00] Speaker B: You know, I'll light the bridge around me.
Like if. If I've got something in my mind, you know, I'll have both sides set on fire. Jump in the water and go for a swim, not look back.
[01:01:14] Speaker A: You're going with the third option.
[01:01:15] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
[01:01:16] Speaker B: Don't.
[01:01:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:01:16] Speaker B: Don't put me in an ultimatum.
I bet that's Chick Fil a, wasn' it?
[01:01:24] Speaker C: I think it was actually kfc. I'm pretty sure it's kfc.
[01:01:27] Speaker B: Dang chicken people.
[01:01:28] Speaker C: Yes, chicken.
[01:01:29] Speaker B: Chicken.
[01:01:30] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:01:31] Speaker A: You just.
I would have looked. I would have said, well, here's here. So you're. You're focused on the money part of it. Cody's like, don't you dare me not to. That's the part he's on. I'm on the manager side of it. Which is.
Which is, you know. How long of a notice did they try to get if you'd have scheduled this? Two weeks. If you give me just two weeks.
[01:01:55] Speaker C: I don't know that I'm sure it
[01:01:56] Speaker A: was the dang day before. Sure, I'm sure, because somebody's irresponsible.
[01:02:00] Speaker C: But regardless, I'm just saying. Okay, well, let me. If, you know, make something happen for them. If they're a good employee, make something happen for them. Yeah, sure.
[01:02:09] Speaker A: What kind of good employee tells you the day before.
[01:02:12] Speaker C: Well, if you don't know, if there something come up and you don't know, make it happen for him.
[01:02:18] Speaker A: What? Yeah, but a vacation's planned.
[01:02:20] Speaker C: I'm talking about. No, I'm talking about is if for some reason they needed to go. I'm just telling you, take the vacation out of the scenario.
[01:02:28] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[01:02:29] Speaker C: Find somebody.
[01:02:30] Speaker A: Finds vacation. Makes all the difference, though.
[01:02:33] Speaker C: But no, but I'm just saying, even if they come to you and she's sick, is that. Is the manager going to say, well, find somebody to cover your shift?
[01:02:40] Speaker A: No, if you're sick, you're sick. I guess she should have called and
[01:02:42] Speaker C: said she's sick, but maybe that's what she should.
[01:02:44] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe she should have. She wouldn't have to worry about that 50 bucks everybody's stressing over.
[01:02:48] Speaker B: Well, she wouldn't want touched anyways.
[01:02:51] Speaker C: I just think it's poor management, period. Find somebody to make it happen.
[01:02:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm in agreeance.
[01:02:56] Speaker C: Find somebody.
[01:02:57] Speaker A: Find you somebody to do it.
[01:02:58] Speaker B: Yeah, if you're. My managers, make manager money for a reason.
[01:03:04] Speaker C: Don't you.
We get on that one.
[01:03:09] Speaker B: I couldn't keep help. It might be why I couldn't keep help, but I shoot horses. I'd feed them, water them,
[01:03:18] Speaker A: teach them
[01:03:19] Speaker B: a trade, something they could, you know, throw business.
[01:03:22] Speaker C: I would shoe horses.
It would be once.
[01:03:26] Speaker A: I would chew horses once.
[01:03:27] Speaker C: Well, I mean, if I had to make money, I mean, I'd chew them. But I mean, I don't like a horse. I don't like nothing about them. Don't care nothing about them.
[01:03:35] Speaker B: Don't meet the owners.
They get any better.
[01:03:38] Speaker A: Yeah, they're worse than the horses.
[01:03:40] Speaker C: They're expensive.
[01:03:41] Speaker A: Yeah, they are.
[01:03:42] Speaker C: They just eat a bunch of hay.
[01:03:44] Speaker A: Oh. They're called hay burners for a reason.
[01:03:47] Speaker C: I know.
[01:03:48] Speaker B: Yep.
[01:03:48] Speaker C: I'd rather jump on a motorcycle and ride a dang thing. I don't see no sport. I'm sorry, but I see no point for a horse. I'd rather jump on a motorcycle and go somewhere.
[01:03:56] Speaker A: Yeah. If you're. I mean there is no point for. Unless you're going to use it to work with or ride.
Unless you're gonna. I mean, if you, if you can't see a point. He's saying they're selling them for six figures right there.
[01:04:09] Speaker C: Oh, I gotta get that.
[01:04:10] Speaker A: I get that there's your point.
[01:04:13] Speaker B: But you know, you wanna. If you want to be a millionaire in the horse world, start out a billionaire. Yeah.
[01:04:19] Speaker A: I mean, you need some money, you're
[01:04:21] Speaker B: not just gonna jump into it.
[01:04:22] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
[01:04:24] Speaker B: Gosh. Jess, my wife, she's been in it since.
She's always been it. She's literally owned a horse still about three weeks ago.
Yeah. Her whole life.
[01:04:35] Speaker C: Dang.
[01:04:35] Speaker B: Her family owns River Glen Equestrian.
[01:04:38] Speaker C: I'm sorry,
[01:04:41] Speaker B: about what?
[01:04:41] Speaker C: That was her choice to say hating horses.
[01:04:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, no, she knows it. We had a rule when we first started dating. I said we don't talk about horses on weekends or after 9 o'.
[01:04:51] Speaker C: Clock.
[01:04:55] Speaker B: He hates the more than I do.
[01:04:57] Speaker A: I. I don't care for him. I like mine. But he did step on my foot and bruised top my foot a couple weeks ago.
[01:05:02] Speaker B: You should put your foot under his.
[01:05:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. Shouldn't even had it been moving it.
[01:05:08] Speaker B: There is a lot of good horse owners out there just to clear the air. But.
Yeah, they're.
It's. It's an acquired taste, you know, like it's about like people who race lawnmowers. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
[01:05:23] Speaker A: It does.
[01:05:24] Speaker C: That's. That's true.
[01:05:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:05:25] Speaker C: But why do we do it? And why do you spend so much money in that little bitty lawnmower?
[01:05:29] Speaker A: Yeah, like racing cars or anything else. I mean, whatever. You just find something you like to do and it's worth spending money on.
[01:05:36] Speaker B: So, you know, I tell you what.
Buying. You get into jumping horses about like you can get into.
You know dirt track racing. You can go and buy a Chevy Cavalier, which is the equivalent to something out of a sale barn, Or you can go and buy a Monte Carlo and send it to the Hedgecock. It's about like, you know, buying that hundred thousand dollar war blood.
But I don't know where I was going with that, to be honest with you. I've lost track of thought on.
[01:06:13] Speaker A: That's all right.
We've been very way off track, so that's good. Let's wrap it up. Cody Chapman, thank you. We appreciate it.
[01:06:20] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[01:06:20] Speaker A: You have a success story.
High school dropout being told not going to amount to anything.
[01:06:25] Speaker C: You don't have to have college education to be successful.
[01:06:28] Speaker A: Doing better than me, let's say that. So that ain't a very high bar to get over. But you're doing better than I. I
[01:06:36] Speaker C: think we're all doing extremely well.
Yeah, I think all three of us are doing extremely, extremely well.
[01:06:41] Speaker B: We've got a lot of doors open. I mean, that's the best way to put it. You know, you're. I've seen, I've. I passed by your business pretty consistently and you know, there's always cars in the parking lot.
[01:06:51] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[01:06:52] Speaker B: Always.
[01:06:52] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:06:52] Speaker B: Y. And Bo, you get changed position so much. I don't know where you're at as far from one day to the next, but I know y' all are opening up new locations. It seems like everywhere.
[01:07:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:07:03] Speaker B: So. Yeah. And I know you shoot.
[01:07:09] Speaker A: All right, well, guys, thanks for joining us again. We'll have somebody else on. We're going to start doing this every couple weeks.
Every couple weeks.
It. It just makes it easier to schedule our guests and try to keep having guests.
So we may slide a few in a little quicker than that, but absolutely, we're going to try to start doing it every couple of weeks on a Monday.
So thank you guys for listening and tune in next time.
[01:07:34] Speaker C: Thank y'. All. See you next time.
[01:07:36] Speaker B: I'm Cody Chapman and this is Second Floor Sessions.
[01:07:39] Speaker C: Oh, I love it.
